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in your office all the magazines on your desk are -- >> a lot of covers. >> are covers more covers than any super model. we got a lot more from that interview. with us we have bbc world news, manager editor of bloomberg politics. senior political editor and white house correspondent and in washington msnbc political analys analy analyst, michael steel. good morning to everybody. so much to talk about this
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morning. we've got the president of the united states meeting with putin before both of their speeches, we have hillary clinton, chuck todd on meet the press yesterday. we got to show you something that happened in the world of baseball yesterday. we talk about in fighting in washington. jonathan and soon to be bryce harper getting into it in the dug out and he chokes him, goes around the neck, those him up against the back wall of the dugout. there's a history here we can get into. he thought bryce harper wasn't running the ball out. he said something the day before about throwing at hitters. mike, what are we looking at? >> fan appreciation day. you're looking at one of the best every day players in
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baseball, bryce harper, who didn't have to play but played in order to please the fans. jon tan who has been out of his mind for six years puts a choke hold on bryce harper for not getting a base hit. that team is a disgrace, they're a disgrace for sending him out to pitch. >> that manager who sent him back out there who got shelled and they lost the game, is matt williams and had a terrible year and going to get himself fired obviously, do you think he comes back next year and why is matt williams even the manager this morning? >> why is papelbon on the roster. he has $11 million coming to him next year from the nationals and going to be impossible to move
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over the winter. you got to eat the 11 million and say see you later. >> matt williams said he didn't realize what had happened. >> and then stop it again. kind of korean politics or something. >> nats fever, catch it. let's get to the news here. it's a busy day at the u.n. in new york city. within a space of two hours, the president of unite, france, russia, china and iran will take their turn to address the 70th session of the assembly. obama plans to meet face to face with some world leaders including putin. white house officials both deny asking for the talk and disagree on what the two leaders will discuss, they're expected to address concerns of build up in
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syria. putin ruled out sending troops to the region calling it anti serian propaganda. >> russian will not participate in the territory of syria or any other states. well, at least we don't plan on it right now. we are considering intensifying our work with both presideother. >> iraq has reached an agreement double whammy here. president putin saying the united states is actually illegally backing rebels in
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syria. what is going to happen when these two men get in the room today? >> you have the russians saying we're back. you had your chance and screwed it up. now you need us. you have the emergence of new access. what you're seeing is iran, syria, russia and iraq. what you're going to see more broadly is a whole approach to the middle east that you now have to work with the government we either have to go along with that or take a radical approach. what we're seeing is russians announcing they're a major power and you cannot handle history in this part of the world without them. this is an sprinteresting day i new york. >> when he speaks to the u.n.
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the day factor is going to release. do you think we're going to start seeing other western powers say similar things recognizing that probably he has to stay through this transition period because that's what the russians want. the extent of russian troops on the ground have complicated any efforts to have a no fly zone, make a safe haven for refugees. >> absolutely. the president of iran was arguing the same thing. what people are worried about is that if the government simply collapses you'll have isis march in damascus. nobody wants to see that. the contradiction is so long as he's in power, he's the greatest recruiter for power.
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nobody has an answer either the russians or iranians on one hand. >> it's incredible to watch american officials publicly say we're scrambling to figure out what's going on. i can't remember a time that the u.s. government has been so in an area of huge concern not just syria but iraq and iran. u.s. government has tried to figure out what russia's doing and play catch up. >> absolutely. >> syria was the one place russians kept influence in the middle east. for putin, this is an interesting, it's a great way to announce to his own people we matter. so much of russian policy is franklin. re
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respect. they love the fact they can slightly twist it with us. >> what can the united states do, if anything, about the fact that we have spent counselless thousands of american live ins iraq, billions of dollars in iraq and for iraq to back door us on the agreement with russir? >> russia and iran. >> we should work directly with the kurds and should establish independent relationship with the tribes in the west. >> it's over. as long as the united states happenings on to that -- >> did you here that last night?
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incredible back to back series. among many other things, we'll play much more of that interview in a bit. over the weekend a new string of e-mails e mernled they were written two months prior to the time clinton began to use her private e-mail server. here's what she told chuck todd. >> everything we had access to was certainly out there and the reason we know about the e-mail chain is because it was on a government server. from my perspective, we have a very thorough review process we conducted an my attorney supervised it and went through everything and what we had available at the time was turned over. there was a transition period. i wasn't that focussed on my
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e-mail adowccount. >> you say you weren't focussed on it. to put an e-mail server at your house is a complicated thing. >> yeah, but it was already there. it is the system that my husband's personal office used when he got out of the white house. he was sitting there in the basement. it was no trouble at all. i know a lot of people are questioning that. the fact is there was and i added my account to it. it took a little time to do that. there was about a month where i didn't have everything on the server. we went back and tried to recover whatever we could recover. i think it's fair to say there's some things about that that i just can't control. i can't control the techty cal aspects of it. >> it has the feel of a drip, drip, drip. can you reassure democrats there's nothing else here?
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>> well, it is like a drip, drip, drip. that's why i said there's only so much i can control. what i've tried to do in explaining this is try to provide more transparency and more information than anyone i'm aware. i'm happy to do that because i want these questions to be answered. >> one of questions we've asked is who were the people who decided which e-mails were deleted? she create ad a little bit of confusion. here's what she said sunday followed by what she said in august. >> all i can tell you is when my attorneys conducted the process, i did not participate. >> the fbi believes you tried to wipe the entire server so there would be in e-mail. >> well, my personal e-mails are my personal business, right. so we went through a pain
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staking process and turned over 55,000 pages of anything we thought could be work related. under the law, that decision is made by the official. i was the official. i made those decisions and as i just said over 1,200 of the e-mails have already been deemed not work related. now, all i can tell you is in retrospect, i said let's release everything. let's let everybody in america see what i did for four years, we would have the same argument. >> that's about a month ago in august she's saying that i was the official. i made those decision and yesterday talking to chuck saying i had no personal involvement it was her attorneys who vetted the e-mails. >> in talking to her supporters over the last week, they're still really up seset about her
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initial decision social security of using the server and how that was handled. what's upsetting them now is they continue to handle this in a way not consistent and not much to put behind her. >> sap stooin right after that interview there was a line out of the hillary clinton campaign that came from several officials that said something along the lines of questions about the e-mail server had been asked and answered and it's time to move on. investigations and questions and answers have been different. what happens next here? >> first of all, i agree there's been a series of inconsistenci s inconsistencies. i think one of the things is
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probably not one of them. the secretary of state gets to determine what's personal and professional e-mail, right. she then deadly weapon ewe tiezed her lawyer to go through the actual 50-60,000 e-mails. i don't think there's an inconsistency on that one. i don't think anyone thought hillary clin don was going through the 60,000 or so e-mails she had on her personal server and saying nope, this one's pub lek, this one's private. this is a drip, drip, drip. >> when republicans are looking at what's happening in there. the longer the e-mail saga goes on and the longer the details,
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it damages her brand and her prospects going forward or do you think it's going to be one of those things that's a distraction? >> actually, i think it will probably be harm to her campaign. i think the people out there when this campaign gets narrowed down to her and a republican candidate for the presidency, there will be other things they focus on. so i kind of take all of this with a grain of salt. there's still a lot of rope that will be covered. we don't know how deep and long
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that will be. >> president bill clinton set down over the weekend and said this is part of the conspiracy. it's been going on and happening to him for 25 years now. he talked about his wife's handling of questions and e-mail abuse. >> the other party doesn't want to run against her and if they do they would like her mangled up as possible. they know that if they say things, that is catnip to the people who get bored talking about your position on student loan. they're not giving the job away. people who wanted to race wanted her to drop some and people in
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the other party desperately wanted it because she's put out more issues and how she would pay for it based on the others combined. >> you think it's a republican plot, really? >> no, i'm not going there. a plot makes it sound like it's a secret. no, i think that there are lots of people who wanted there to be a race for different reasons. >> bill clinton not quiet on message there. that's trying to say i take responsibility for the way this is being handled even if i can't control everything and have bill come out and say this is the republicans playing their tricks again. that's not what the hillary campaign wants is it. >> much of what he says is true. there's an effort to make this
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about her personal stuff and not let her talk about issues and it is a vast attempt by the right to do it. that interview has freaked out a lot of democrats though. as much as he's right about some things, that is not the play book they want. >> what's the argument they want to make? >> they want to talk about is issues. i have to say one of the biggest variables to me now in watching the interview is can he up his game? a lot of the democrats are preparing for him to be about. >> they're still doing a security investigation and if her server was never hacked into, that may be the end.
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you can't say they're part of hurting her. they may be part of helping her in the end. >> we'll see. we'll have more of donald trump in 60 minutes. plus republican senator john mccain joins our conversation and sit down with former houseman as republicans look for a new house speaker. first, a look at the monday's forecast. >> hey, very dry in the northeast. did you see the blood moon last night? unfortunately, there were a lot of clouds around and a lot of us couldn't see. the moon was 14% larger appe appearing in the sky and closer to the earth and the lunar e clipgs taking place. unfortunate lirks for a lot of us on the east coast, we didn't get to see it.
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that's all because of the rain heading northward. we can use it and get a lot of that rainfall we've within needing. as far as the forecast is going to go, the rainfall is coming up from the north. we got soaked in mississippi and sko soaked in tampa and by the time we get to wednesday, that heavy rain will be right along the big cities in the east coast. here's the rainfall forecast. some areas could pick up 1-3 inches of rain. boston, new york city down to boston you don't get the heavy rain till wednesday. bottom line with this is we desperately need to rain and a lot of water restrictions got an issue and we're going to get a soaking rain tuesday and wednesday on the east coast and another chance this upcoming weekend. leading with a shot of new york city who hasn't had any significant rain in days.
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taking a look out some of the morning papers. the pope back in rome after wrapping up his trip in the united states. yesterday more than 800,000 people lined the streets of philadelphia to watch him deliver an outdoor mass. rick santorum tweeted this photo of his daughter bella being plesed by the pope. fan sis announced he had met with five abuse victims. he promised those responsible will be held accountable. he greeted 100 inmates personally.
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the pope upon his arrival in philadelphia gets in his fiat. he tells the driver to stop. it was the 10-year-old with cerebral palsy. just a beautiful moment. >> really moving. the associated press will end inspiration off the coast of alaska following disappointing results from a well backed by years of work. it also predicted the federal market as well as the high cost associated with on shore drilling. >> $50 barrel of oil. the economics aren't there. >> and we'll go back for a minute to the pope.
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what a remarkable six days there. >> it was overwhelming six days and in a sense you just wonder how much of what the pope said into the various audiences he addressed did they hear what he was saying. you can listen but did you hear what he was saying and maybe the volume in our politics, will it be turned down for a bit? just for a while, just for relief of what they usually do. >> still ahead, donald trump said to announce his tax plan today. he gave a preview last night. already not sitting well with some in the republican party. plus harold ford jr. joins us. h. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep it all digital.
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he was on 60 minutes last night. he will unveil a tax plan in a press conference today. he offered a preview of the proposal on 60 minutes. >> who are you going to raise taxes on? >> if you look at actual raise, some very wealthy are going to be raised. some people getting unfair deductions are going to be raised. overall, a tremendous insecenti to grow the economy and i think we're going to have something that's going to be spectacular. >> republicans don't raise taxes. >> i'm not raisiing taxes. >> what kind of republican are you? >> i don't want certain people on wall street getting away with not paying taxes. >> he will bring jobs back from places like mexico and china saying it's time for the united states to end the north america trade agreement. >> let's say if they want to y
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sell that car in the united states they're going to pay. >> we will renegotiate it or break it. every agreement has an end. >> you can't just break the law. >> every agreement has an end. every agreement has to be fair. every agreement has to be defrauded. >> it's called free trade and it's a plank of the republican platform. >> we need fair trade. not free trade. we need fair trade. it's got to be fair. >> the problem with a lot of these ideas is that the president of the united states is not the ceo of america. the constitution is going to tell you no. the congress is going to tell you no. the supreme court is going to tell you no and you're not use to working in an environment like that. >> who tells you no?
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>> i do it all the time. ideal with governments all the teem. >> already some republicans not happy there are tax hike ins there for some of the healthiest but the headline in the story about this plan in the wall street journal plan says trump plan cuts taxes for millions including 31 million households. individuals learning less than $25,000 and married couples earning less than $50,000 would pay zero federal income tax. >> i think he's finding a way to split that hair and it's going to cause a lot for those inside the party. he's specifically targeting those at the higher end of the economic scale and all republicans, despite what you hear folks out of washington say are in line with that. they don't mind that. they think there should be a fairness to the tax system that recognizes that the strength of this country building the middle class, not the top one tenth
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percent. i think trump is going to get a lot more action with his plan with ranking republicans in the primary and americans across the country because they'll see it as fair. >> what about a couple of other things he brought up? he wants to end it or reme gauche it and tax cars coming in from china. at one point saying he should outsource america and national security in russia. how is that going to go down? >> it's not going to go down well. he's finding a way to split the hair. he's going to make appeals to grass root folks and mom and pop operations out there. >> that's going to be
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interesting for him to see. the question about you got to deal with the congress. we will. that's going to be a problem for him longer term:right now, he's getting his game on in place in terms of the economic argument because he's looking behind him and seeing rubio and others coming up on him. he's trying to create the distance. >> there's no plbluster, emotio, specifics. if you look at it, he's saying rich people, you're going to pay a little more in taxes, deal with it. >> the press conference is going to get a lot of attention. the pope is gone and presidential stuff is going to get more country. his plan in the broadest approach is not much different than jeb bush's. lower the rates and broaden the base and focus on the plans and
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there's going to be a lot of focus on the tax deductions and limits for some people. it's specific enough. it's going to be as specific as anyone else's. people will hit it and he says it's revenue neutral and going to be bad for the deficit. i think if people are looking for trump to be specific, it's pretty specific. >> when did 60 minutes do the piece on jeb bush and his tax plan? >> it got less attention. >> how do you move up to the point where you're competing in the top three? right now, the problem for jeb bush, you see the story today and you look at rubio's pole numbers, bush has a rubio problem as much as anything else and getting attention for his ideas in the wake of trump, big problem. >> harold, if we put that pole back up, i wanted to put context on this. you got ben carson statistically tied with donald trump up 10 points in just the last two
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points. fiorina up 11 point fs from basically nothing. >> the trump, carson, fiorina has calmed a bit. those three candidates held 60% of the vote. right about now it's about 52% of the vote. i think trump is coming down a bit. here's the thing about trump's tax plan, it sounds like simpson bolish. it will be similar to see the similarities and whether or not his plans becomes the talking point. i happen to like the fact we're starting to talk about something. i think it will help trump. i think he's losing altitude. he's going to regain altitude. remember, tea party advocates are not big trade agreement supporters. i'm curious to hear michael's reaction to it that the kind of
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support he may engender is support on these two fonts. >> i think he's going to ingender that type of support. >> echoing your point. i agree with you. >> you realize he's got a card he can play and it's one going to register with a lot of tea party supporters and a lot of con t conservativ conservatives. >> we haven't started to talk about the backdrop of the interview, the baby white grand piano and the chairs on 60 minutes with trump. unbelievable. still ahead, is iraq spilling secrets? madeline reacts to baghdad's decision. secretary al bright joins us next.
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this is just one example. >> well, it's not the goal in itself. i'm proud of russia, that's true and we have something to be proud of. >> you're a part in nuclear power because of what you have. you are a forced to be reconned with. >> i hope so. i definitely hope so.
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otherwise, why do we have nuclear weapons at all? >> putin on 60 minutes yesterday. joining us now madeline al bright. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you all. >> there's so much going on. let's start with putin. top of new york times. russia surprises united states with a cord on battling isis. >> i think it's obvious they're going to have to share intelligence but i do think if the united states is going to be a part of dealing with all this and we're going to have some kind of relationship where we have common goal of getting rid of isis, i do think that not having any previous talk on this is unfortunate. it is very much the way that the
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russians are dealing and how difficult it is for us to deal with them. in one place, ukraine, they have done something illegal. we do see that they can help us in terms of fighting isis. we do not like the fact that they're supporting. it's hard to keep the players and their motives straight. >> what's happened is a result of missed opportunities for the united states and now we're playing catch up when we could have seized the initiative several times over the last four years. >> i do believe we could have done more earlier in syria. i don't think the russian activity is due to that. they have had an interest in having influence in the middle east historically and they feel they have lost generally in terms of stature or abroad. i thought the question was to how is russia viewed and is it a super power. what putin is trying to do is
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restore russia's greatness because they lost the cold war and i think that that is something that bares heavily on them. >> is it possible the russia view of what is happening is now not so different from the american view is he should stay until there's a transition or do you think they want to have him stay no matter what? >> i think that's hard to tell. they are moving in military equipment and things and syria. i think they would like to have a functioning relationship with the leader. >> i do think we are seeing there has to be some kind of a transition and there's an awful lot of differences.
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>> they don't want to see the civil war continue. isn't there a possibility that the united states and russia could overlap to some extent. >> i do think there is. that's what makes this so fascinating and difficult to sort out where there's genuine overlap and interest in getting isis and fighters and where we have differences in terms of the way we treat countries and what we think about the population and i do think that the horrors in syria which are creating this hue plan tarn crisis, i'm not sure that the russians and we have the same idea. >> is there a chance putin the using this to get out of jail, that he's hoping by playing a useful role in the middle east, he may somehow find a way to get out from under the sanctions? >> i do think that. we have to be careful. as you know richard in terms of diplomacy, you do what you can and it's useful for this relationship in syria but we
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cannot forget about what they did in ukraine which is breaking international norms in a way that's very damaging for a long time and i do think that the president is spending more time and speaking at the u.n. today and ukraine will be an issue he raises. >> i'm in new york city. >> i think there's always an issue as to whether they get bogged down in some way if that's useful or not. i think we have to keep a much longer look. >> can you imagine being there?
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>> it's unbelievable. >> forgive us. with all this is backdrop. he's using this as a lead up tovpt conversation he's having with the president. what will it be like in the room with president obama and putin today? >> i think they have to take a new measure of each other. i think he's trying to show he has not, he wants to have some visible respect for obama but at the main time he's trying to undermine obama's position. president obama is going to be very strong with putin because he knows that he has to make clear that the kind of historical analogies putin uses make no sense. i find unbelievable that putin could say that what we're doing
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with the rebels is illegal and what he's doing in ukraine is completely illegal. he makes things up and he can say president obama, got you, this is not true. one of hard parts about diplomacy is you do deal with people you disagree with and you have to find the areas where you can find something to do in common and yet make clear what your position is. i've been in the room with putin. he is smart and can be charming. he knows what he wants and has to push back. >> can i ask you about the e-mail controversy surrounding hillary clinton? security was something you were strict on.
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are you concerned about security breeches? >> i think she's spoken to this clearly. i do not see that as a security breech. you were tough on security. >> i was tough on security and secretary clinton was tough on security. i think it's important to be tough because we are obviously concerned about hacking in a variety of issues. i think she has explained what she's done. she's turned things over. one of the other thing social security that the intelligence and richard knows this, is basically, every agency has a definition of what's classified and under what sercircumstances. i think we always have to be concerned about security and secretary clinton has been and
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will be. >> wouldn't you be concerned if it wasn't hillary clinton and some other head of the department. >> i understand. we have to figure out the technology. what happens is our government in general has to catch up with the variety of ways of using. >> if you're secretary of state and your deputy said i want to do all my e-mail on a private e-mail acount. would you approve that? >> i would not. >> thank you very much. pleasure to have you. >> coming up next senator john mccain joins us and we'll get chuck todd's take aways from his interview with hillary clinton. plus. >> my plan was to step down at the end of last year. i decided in november of 2010 that when i was elected speaker,
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that's mark wahlberg talking before the pope. >> nice moment. >> mike is here, harold ford jr. sam in new york. sam, you're in new york. michael steel is in washington with us. the capitol. joining thing table we have former house majority leader. it's good to have you here on this day. you heard the sound bite a minute ago. john boehner saying he was
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thinking about leaving and he realized he needed to stay when you lost your election. did you know that at the time? >> i never talked to him directly. i was shocked when i heard john boehner was going to step down. i know that no one knew. i had spoken to former colleagues and had no clue this was coming. it's created a stir now. i think it was classic john boehner style. he's always been an alter boy and been a very observe nt catholic in his career and crowning it all off, he had the pope come speak to congress and something he wanted for a very long time. >> in his first interview since the announcement speaking out in more blunt terms about a particular faction about the republican conference. >> are they unrealistic about
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wha what can be done in government? >> absolutely. the bible says be ware of false profits. there are people out there spre spreading. this plan never had a chance. we have yous and members of the house in senate here in town who whip people in a frenzy believing they can accomplish things they know are never going to happen. >> is ted cruz a false profit? >> you can pick a lot of names out and i'll let you choose them. >> you don't abait that? >> i'll refer to a remark i made in colorado. >> let me ask you about the, by the way, you called ted, i believe, the word you used was jack ass we forring to.
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>> i fe for refer you to that same remark. what faction is john boehner talking about there? >> let's remember, willie. there's a small minority of nearly a 250 person republican conference that is, i think, engaging in setting false expectations and i think that's what the speaker was saying. we've got to be honest. we believe in limiting the power of government but we believe in being honest with the con stitch wants that sent us there. i know my time it was difficult in trying to set expectations because people are frustrated. it was very much counter to what we believed as conservatives. somewhere along the line that turned into we had to go in and
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effect and inact a new agenda when you don't have to president going along with you. there's a constitution here. you've got to have two-thirds of congress in order to override ve vit vitos. you have to have the white house. what john boehner has done is given the republican conference an opportunity to come together and talk about what's doable. >> when you were trying to encounter this group you call conservatives, were there any arguments you could use to have an impact? >> i'm a conservative. i believe in limiting the power of government and i believe in being honest.
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clearly we were all on record as being against obama care just like you don't expect a conservative to come off the position in terms of reaching government. it's difficult to sit here and see the president submitting himself to the will of what we want all the time and i think that's john boehner's point. we've got the fight on principal and fight smartly and i think that's where the rub is. there's not a lot of smark calculus going on in some of these fights. >> on an idea basis, i understand what you said. the differences between your view and the president's view. on a leadership basis, here's what a lot of people don't understand. as leaders, speaker boehner was speaker and still speaker. how do you allow a small hand full of ridged idea logs to put all of you in the backseat of a
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pilot and take the whole thing down? how do you do that as leaders? >> there is this thing called has and you need 18 votes in congress to get something passed out of the house. harold knows this. >> you can get democratic votes. >> again, that goes into the situation we have at hand. we've had sort of a 24/7 365 day year campaign cycles in the legislative body and it takes two to make sure that you go down the path together and in dividing government, you can't always get everything you want nor can the other side. and as you rightfully say, the minority and the democrats, they have bound together and decided they weren't going to allow for much success if it was up to them and they were going to try and leverage their point. it is a, i think a moment in
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time now that proceeds the presidential election and all of the conversation that my parties have in the primary. i think it's not too dissimilar where you got a very small group of voters who are out there who have now adopted this view that it's no way no compromise never in stead of trying to focus on incremental process each and every day each and every week that you're going to get closer to your goal. >> the senator of utah lost the primary i think to mike lee a few years back. it creates pressures on these guys. having said all that, how does kevin handle and manage what sounds to be like an intractable situation within the caucus? >> within congress.
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>> it's about that trust when you're in a legislative body as you know in order for the ranking file to follow their leaders. i'm very optimistic kevin will be able to hit the ground running and there's big things that have to happen for the end of the year. >> let's go to a man in the middle of all this. joining us from capitol hill, deputy from the house republican conference, congressman cole. it's great to have you with us. join in on the conversation. i know you've been listening and heard what speaker boehner said. you were less diplomatic when speaking yesterday about ted kruz. this is a guy for 25 years has a
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distinguished record in the house. i'm not talking about senator cruz. what is that dynamic? i'm trying to be more diplomatic. i got to tell you what a pressure it is to be on the same -- i think again leader had it right. we have to school people in the realities of divided government in a very polarized atmosphere a lot think john boehner is not
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the speaker of the house. it's moent to require compromise and give and take the ones that don't work that way haven't been around long enough to understand it. it does concern me a lot of them pride themselves of being defenders of the constitution. they clearly haven't read it. a lot of the things they suggest were founding documents. >> okay. michael, words of wisdom for those still in the house and those recently left in your party? >> run. >> john boehner listened. >> yeah, he did. he did. i guess i want to toss this to mr. coal or my buddy eric can'ter. either one. do you not recognize the frustration that a lot of conservatives found their voices, they feel they've been
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lied to and promises made to elect us and we'll do these things. they've elected you and you haven't done these things. how do you reconcile? you may disagree with that but that's what the base of the party is saying now. >> what's hah they been told by people that caught to know better. >> who are those people congressman? >> those people are, i'm not going to get into naming names but there's a whole slew of them. the reality is we were elected to lower the budget deficit. by the way, we have. it was $14 trillion when this president took office. under $430 billion today. we were elected to give tax cuts. taxes have actually gone up on january 1st, 2013. we cut them on january 3rd. we were elected to do hit lment
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reform. that was done in divided government. we within and held the ma snojo. but you know, we didn't win the presidential election in 2012. barack obama has gotten over 50% of the vote twice. nobody since dwight eisenhower has done that. we need to look and understand the changing demographics and continue to fight and extract victories where we can. if we were to shut down the government now as some
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recommend, that would make it much more difficult to actually succeed in the most important task. that's giving us si new president. >> speaking an awful lot of sense. 2016 presidential candidates also among the first white house hopefuls to offer their thoughts after the news broke on friday. >> just a few minutes ago speaker boehner announced he'll be resigning. it's not about him or anybody else and i'm not here today to bash anyone but the time has come to turn the page.
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the time has come to turn the page and allow a new generation of leadership in this country. >> yesterday john boehner was speaker of the house. you all come to town and somehow that changes. my only request is can you come more often? >> well, i'm saddened. i think john was a great guy. i was there in the 90s when we actually got things done. think about it, we changed the welfare system that had been in place for 40 years. we balanced the budget in which i was the chief architect and we cut taxes. the economy was growing and we were doing great and when i left washington we had a $5 trillion surplus. boehner set next to me and we
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pushed the things through and that was some of the most productive time they had. >> i enjoyed boehner. he left at an a peks of his time and left with the pope speaking in congress. i think people are going to miss him in the long run because he's a person focussed on solving problems. >> i'm curious, we had a reaction around this table. i'm curious what yours was when we saw the crowd. >> i think they've been systematically miss informed and that's sad.
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we've been the most functional part of the system. i think a distinction between the class of your last two speakers and the first two is obvious. in this case we would have won this fight easily. everybody in this body knows it. he chose to sacrifice himself in order to spare his members from a top vote. i'm not sure i would have done that. frankly, i would have. i admire him for doing it. i it says a lot about his character and those formeanting him says a lot about their character. >> let me start by saying i'm bias. i wanted a jewish speaker. with that said, one of the things i'm noticing is this. he said when it came to the government shut down in
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october 2013 everyone knew it would fail. he still went into the shut down. i guess i just don't understand if he knew it would fail and it was a bad idea and knew it would be costly, why didn't he at one point say enough, we're not going to do this. why did he have to go through that process? >> in my view and i talked to him at the time about this. i was very much against it and said that publicly. we never had an opportunity to vote on it until 18 days in. i think he thought it would teach people a lesson and for a while, it did frankly. we had good discussions after that. now we have the same people who led us to disaster in october 2013 telling us to do precisely the same thing and if we do it longer and harder, it will work. that's nonsense. government shut downs never work, never have and are always
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inappropriate. you have institutions where one party dominates. at the end of the day you have to have give and take. >> when you listen to ted cruz, the tone that he's using, the things he's suggesting, what do you think of it? >> i think that was small. i agree with tom. you just don't do that. may have seemed politically advantageous at the time to both of them but look, it gets back to being honest with the voters and i think at the end of the day conservatives believe i
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believe that the crowds we saw there were led to believe certain things could happen and they can't. ted cruz knows good and well and did before in the 2013 shut down that that was not leading anywhere but yet, the story is told over and over again and i think it gives republicans an opportunity in congress to talk about how we work towards a conservative outcome while we
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focus on electing a con seb tif president. >> this is a very difficult situation. >> thank you so much. congressman tom cole, appreciate you being with us as well. still ahead, chuck todd joins the table with more of his exclusive interview with hillary clinton. plus our interview with steven buyer and later senator john mccain is here. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ the beautiful sound of customers
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everything we had access to was out there. the reason we know about the chain is because it was on a server. from my perspective we have a thorough review process we conducted and my attorney supervised it. they went through everything and
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what we had available at the time was turned other. there was a transition period. i wasn't that focussed op my e-mail account to be clear. >> let me stop you there. this seemed to be to put an e-mail server at your house was a complicated thing. >> it was already there. it had been there for years. it was a system that my husband's personal office used when he got out of the white house. it was sitting there in the basement. not a lot of trouble at all. a lot of people are questioning that. the fact is it was there. i added my account to it. there was a month where i didn't have everything on the server. we went back and tried to recover whatever we could recover. . there's some things about this i can't control. i can't control the technical aspects of it. i am not a technical expert.
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i relied on people who were. chuck todd's new show debuts today with part two of that exclusive interview with hillary clinton. congrats on the show. 60 days with chuck todd. >> we'll squeeze in a day off. >> let's get you in on saturdays. i know you would appreciate that. >> for people who didn't get a chance to sit down and watch the full interview, what was your take on it? >> i'm hesitant to -- >> what did you learn? >> i learned a couple of things. one that she is not willing to say there's no more stuff that's going to come out. that i thought that she wanted to make it clear yesterday hey, more stuff could come out. there could be more revelations or there could be more charges
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she was sending a signal this may not go away but maybe i can handle it. a lot of people i think have come to her and said can't you just put everything out there that's out there and her argument is i don't know what's out there. i've already done what i can do. >> i took away a different tone, right. >> definitely a different tone. did you pick that up when you were sitting there? she was less defensive. not prickly. not making silly jokes about that. a lot more serious trying to be frank. >> i spent about 30 minutes with her. pretty much half of it on e-mails which she could have easily been annoyed about and it was clear she was not, when you say the tone, i think that was okay, i will answer every single question. >> the campaign got it as
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they'll have to handle this. >> i think that's right. she, i think at one point said understand some voters may not accept my explanation. >> except for the fact after the interview everyone a part of the campaign tweeted out it's time to move on. >> that was a little hem handed. >> it's like cutting pace. >> no limitations on your mail. >> and by the way, i've never had that. i know people think that and i understand people are distrustful of us in the media and think we're in cohoots with these people in power. i've never had an interview. the condition may be you have to fly out to des moines. i'm not going to say who but there's a fairly prominent
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former politician that tried to put a condition on it and we say no. >> sam doesn't see the problem but some pointing out a conflict of what she said in august about who went through the e-mails and what went on. >> that's a contradiction. i. >> guess the guys, i'm married
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to a lawyer and my sister is a lawyer and you use lawyers for this purpose. you don't want to be the person that says this is not a professional. then it comes back out and it's the exact opposite. especially because there's 60,000 e-mails, the idea that hillary clinton was there looking at each and every one saying no personal, no professional. i assumed lawyers were doing it from the get go. >> what are her and her team making of the numbers? >> even off the record you can't get them to panic. three months ago i got the sense from clinton world five months to get in, we can handle it and be fine. i guess the sense thousand they feel vulnerable enough that the last thing they need is another hurdle. >> you think they're worried in
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biden gets in it helps against them? >> that's what our pole says. it makes sense. at least in new hampshire you can see and almost guarantee sanders. >> you just put your finger on something. histor histor historic candidacy. women are not galvanized. >> you aren't picking up a wave of excitement from women voters around the candy si aidacy. i would have guaranteed you. >> in support of her who thinks actually maybe if she gets in all the sudden there's a rally around her effect that that will be the thing that instead of firing up women in an optimistic
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way it fires them up in oh my god we got to save her kind of way. >> only in the pry mare poles. >> the reality is politics is they have to win a primary first do you think she got past the e-mails or put 80% of it behind her? your point at the beginning, we hear over and over again people are scripting these interviews with her. i thought her tone was pretty good. >> i had a critic of her e-mail me yesterday going geez if she had that tone three months ago we mite not been here. >> maybe you should do the
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interviews all the time. >> but i would, i think, you know, i don't know until october 22nd is behind her, i don't think you can say this is mind her. >> and chuck, we'll see more of that interview today. new part of it. >> policy issues, i got obviously, a lot of people, a lot of her supporters wondering how come you spent time on e-mails. there's a policy on this thing. she said about syria, it doesn't dispute the idea. >> you got to watch the show. mtp daily premiers tonight 5:00 eastern time. congrat yoo la con ewe la-- congratulations. see you in a minute. so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? and that is my recommendation. let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks!
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welcome back to morning joe. we're one week away from the start of the next supreme court session. he started with his thoughts on the balance of managing threats from abroad with personal freedoms here at home.
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>> for decades the court has had cases, for example, where you have the needs of security on one side and ordinary civil rights protection on the other. how do those two things balance? the court has said that the constitution does not write the president and congress a blank check to run over civil liberties, not even in times of war. how do we fill in that blank check? today. faced with problems that might threaten our security of a new type for many years. the court has to know something about the nature of those problems. the court has to understand both what the president and congress face and also if there is a need to depart from ordinary civil liberty standards. >> i want to touch on the first thing you talked about and that's the threat of terror after 9/11.
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the good days, pret 9/11 we would get julks and put them in a court and they would meet four or five times a yeernd they would consider these things and we would move on. post 9/11, the incoming on you for these cases where you have to balance safety and civil liberties is nonstop. how is your life changed post 9/11 and your preparation for cases when you can't rely on a court and a clerk to educate you? >> that's exactly the problem. when you say good old days, they weren't that good. world war ii, 70,000 american citizens of japanese origin were taken from the west coast and put in camps like prison camps and they had done nothing wrong and there was no need to do it and the supreme court in 1944
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upheld it. that wasn't such a good thing. the guantonamo cases come along and we had a different approach. when we had those cases the lawyers were well armed with two questions. when civil liberties are infrin infringed, the first question is lawyer asks is why? what's the need? then if there's a real need why not. why not do it in this less restrictive way. those two questions and an ordinary trial may be sufficient to expose all the problems. they may not. it may help the judges to know something about how britain or how israel or how other countries are handling these same kinds of problems. there's many, many, many more cases where we're reaching out to find out what's happening
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abroad. take something very technical. you want something that sounds technical, we had a student from thailand studying at cornel. his textbooks were half the price over seas. dear mom and dad, please send me books and they sent books. the publisher sued him. you think can he sell those boxes he bought at half price from abroad? technical. it effects automobiles that have copy write on all their software parts. it effects every label. we're told by briefs filed by half the world that this will effect $3 trillion worth of commerce. >> does it bother you at all that many americans regard the court is operating behind a blanket of secrecy, if it does
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bother you, what's your sense of opening the court up a bit having some of these arguments on television and being more access to the court and how you make the decisions? >> it's terrible they think it's the most secret. opinions are opening, reasoning is open, argument is open, the press is always there except in our conference, why not cameras in the courtroom? part of me wishes they were in the courtroom. i think people would faind thisa very educational experience. part of me was slightly afraid it would be miss leading. will it be a straight forward explanation or will it be distortion? we're not certain to the answer of the question. it's because we're not certain we are and i think i may should speak for myself, it's a conservative institution of the small sea.
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it's a conservative institution in the sense it's well unbalanced for the american government for more than 200 years and none of us want to change it for the worse. we make it as open as possible. my prediction, we'll have cameras in or proceedings eventually. >> our great thanks to justice steven buyer. the book is the court and the world. still ahead, senator john mccain joins us on a busy day. up next, frustration boils over. man, this is ugly. the mets were independent and the gnats fall away. peter talks playoffs and whatever's happening there next.
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baseball's regular season coming down the stretch here. the hunt for october heating up. joining us now columnist for the "boston globe," hall of famer peter gammons. so good to have you here. can we start in washington and have you explain what we're watching besides the complete implosion of a baseball team. >> you live across the river from the jets so that should explain something. they're very much like the jets. >> they haven't functioned this year, they have a lot of
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injuries. ryan zimmerman was very important, stephen strauss being hurt, i get that. but the nationals were so hyped up in spring training, just waiting to get into overdrive and it never happened. at the trading deadline they made the deal for jonathan papelbon and took their closer and made him a starter and they had two series with the mets in which they got swept at the end of july, early september. they never could accept that the mets were pretty good. all of a sudden this has happened and they know they're getting jered. bryce harper is extremely emotional, he's a very intention player. since he was 16 and on the cover of "sports illustrated," he's lived with the curse of unlimited potential and i think
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he's done well. he was so frustrated yesterday, he hit that pop-up yesterday and he did touch first, for those of us watching the red sox all year doesn't always happen. i always thought jonathan's career would have been better if he could have had subtitles over whatever he says. things happen and he says the wrong thing and guys get very emotional about it. it just boils over. it's unfortunate. but the nationals are just going to have to remember that, you know what, they were supposed to win it all two years ago and now here they are going into 2016 and it's not there. it's an amazing situation, particularly when you take where the mets came from. >> we have wild card games coming up in a very few days. chicago cubs, pittsburgh pirates, looks like they will be
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in a one-game playoffs perhaps. how's that going to look? >> well, we know the five teams, we have the mets and dodgers winning their division, the cardinals, pirates, cubs. what's interesting is we've all been waiting for a week from wednesday for jake arrieta to be pitching against gerrit cole. the cubs now play three games with them, tonight, tuesday, witness. there's a possibility the pirates could end up winning that division. the american league is a little less certain. you have at royals and blue jays are in. texas looks like they're going to end up winning the west and the yankees are probably going to be the host of the wild card game a week from tuesday in yankee stadium, which leads to this bizarre houston, angels,
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minnesota run at the second play-in birth and it's really hard to tell. every team is injured and houston can't win on the road. i wouldn't be surprised if minnesota ended up sneaking in. i think it would be fascinating to see the twinkies coming into the yankee stadium. >> national league cy young, zach greinke, jake arrieta, what do you do? >> i think arrieta wins up winning it because of the way he's pitched down the stretch, 0.89 e.r.a. he's pitched the last few months. plus the additional thing, the two great performance on sunday night baseball on espn. harper's going to win the mvp no matter how many times we see jonathan papelbon's hand around his throat. >> peter, it's sam stein. the mets' first playoff berth.
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what's the history of young pitchers with no playoff experience taking their teams deep into the postseason? >> well, i go back a long time, back to 1969 with the mets and they rode that same kind of pitching staff to a world championship over a great orioles team. so, i man, it can can happen. and i think that you look at them and i know talking to dodger people about the matchups, the dodgers are a very erratic offensive team. you've got syndergaard, at least six innings of matt harvey. that's going to be a very formidable staff to try to beat in a seven-game series. as great as kershaw and greinke might be, you're only going to get three starts out of them. i think the mets have a chance to go a fairly lo lly long way.
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welcome back to "morning joe" on a hazy monday morning. our panel still with us all around the table. it is a busy morning here at the u.n. president obama spoke yesterday to the general assembly and plans to meet face to face on the sidelines will several world leaders, most notably vladimir putin, giving his first address in over a decade. the two leaders are expected to address u.s. concerns about russia's military buildup in syria. in an interview why "60 minutes" ruled out sending troops to the region calling intelligence reports to the contrary
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anti-russia propaganda. >> translator: at least we don't plan on it right now but we are considering intensifying our work with both president assad and with our partners in other countries. >> an important line there, "at least we don't plan to now." meanwhile, iraq has reached an agreement with russia to share intelligence on the islam ek state. russia has expanded military aid to assad's government. let's bring in member of the senate armed services committee, republican john mccain of arizona. always good to you have with us. and a particularly good day to have you with us right now. let's get back into this deal. russia, iraq, iran, syria getting together to share intelligence, to share security ostensibly to fight isis.
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the "new york times" said the united states was completely blindsided and surprised by this deal. were you? >> yes. it's a dramatic example of the d dimmunition -- look, we are reacting to russian activities to syria, in the region. that's because we have no strategy, we have no strategy to pursue so therefore we are surprised when vladimir putin exercises what is a very clear strategy and that is to increase his influence in the region, preserve his port in the mediterranean and make sure that bashar al assad stays in power
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or a protege of bashar al assad, who he can control. >> senator mccain, you've proposed in the past a number of things, including forcing assad to stop the barrel bombing of his on people, along with creating no-fly zones. how much does russia's military buildup in syria now complicate those propositions? >> i don't think it complicates it at all. in fact, it might be a lesson to the russians. by the way, that was a proposal made by general david petraeus before the senate armed services committee just a few days ago so it isn't just my idea at all. but if we don't stop this barrel bombing and if we don't provide a buffer zone, you will see an increased flow of refugees, which is obviously one of the ongoing tragedies of the 21st century. so the only thing that vladimir putin understands -- by the way, vladimir putin said "our
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support," there's only four or five of them left, but our support was illegal. this is the guy that dismembered ukraine. it rema it's remarkable. >> in syria for a strategy to work, it depends on good intelligence partially. we've been getting reports the last week or so that intelligence estimates as they arrive and go up through the chain of command that the books are being cooked as they get to the top in order to present a rosier picture. what do you know about that report? how has it impacted our strategy in syria and in the middle east and what do you think is the future of this intelligence estimate report? >> well, mike, one thing is, as you know, is that intelligent has been distorted not for the first time by an administration. so having said that, i believe there are credible people who are making these allegations who are at least one whistleblower
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and others who are corroborating that. but we haven't got enough information yet to reach a concrete conclusion. i think that somebody's intelligence was wrong when they said months ago they were about to retake rimadi, somebody's intelligence is wrong when both the secretary of defense and the chairman of joint chiefs of staff say that it's not a matter of whether bashar al assad goes, it's when. so i'd say there's something wrong with our intelligence besides this latest charge. >> switching a bit to domestic stuff, speaker boehner's abrupt resignation caught a lot of people off guard. we saw video from a value summit where some senators took some
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glee out of it. i'm wondering what your thoughts are. >> i think john boehner is a fine man, and i think he had a very difficult job in his leadership role. what i would hope, and maybe i'm too utopian in my view, but i'd like to see us now republicans sit down together and i'd be glad to go over to the house and sit and talk with him, how can we stop attacking each other and fighting amongst ourselves and come up with a common agenda so we can keep our majorities and elect a republican president. it's time we had a dialogue rather than continuing to disparage each other's character, calling the majority leader a liar. this is very destructive to the party of ronald reagan, who said the 11th commandment as you're all very aware of. this is a deterioration that is very unhealthy for the party of
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abraham lincoln. >> john boehner was talking about exactly what you are yesterday morning. let take a listen. >> are they unrealistic of what can be done -- >> absolutely they're unrealistic. the bible says beware of false prophets. there are people out there spreading noise about what can be done. this idea of shutting down the government to get rid of obamacare, we have people who whip people into a frenzy believing that they can accomplish things that they know -- they know are never going to happen. >> is ted cruz a false prophet? >> you can pick a lot of names out.
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i'll let you choose them. >> let me ask you about the -- by the way, you called ted -- i believe the word you used was jackass. >> i'll remember to that same remark. >> i think that's pretty clear there, senator mccain. now we're on the brink perhaps of another shutdown and planned parenthood has been wrapped into this. what do you make of the political climate that john boehner was talking about? >> i think it's very poisonous. we spend our time disparaging each other's motives when we have a president that has put us in more jeopardy national securitiwise since any time since world war ii in my view. there's a lot of anger and frustration out there. there's the slow recovery from the financial crisis, a lack of progress in so many areas.
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a good example is the highway bill. i sense the frustration out there and i sense it in arizona, but it seems to me the lesson weep should have is sit down together, come up with a common agenda, have our differences but please don't disparage each other's characters, integrity and motives. that's what unfortunately seems to be going on. >> i'm going to ask you to place a bet here. what do you think the percentage chances of that actually happening in your party? >> not good right now. really. but that doesn't mean we can't keep advocating for it and maybe it would relieve some of the tension within our party if we did have that conversation. so i'll continue to argue for it and try to be respectful of the views of others but i also share john boehner's view, i don't want to shut down the grand canyon again. i don't want to shut down the veteran administration. there's enough problems there without us doing that. i hope we can do that.
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>> back to foreign policy for one moment. you say our lack of a strategy has weakened us in the region. what would be the frame for reconstituting and reasserting our leadership in the region? >> first come up with pa ca cone strategy to defeat isis. general petreus laid it out pretty well, stop the barrel bombing, better intelligence, more boots on the ground in iraq in the form of special forces, air controllers and others. that's the broad outlines of what we need to do specifically. >> michael steele has a question for you, senator. >> senator, good to see you. just real quick, the talk about
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the false prophets who sort of led the charge and riled up the base the wall street journal has a headline "gop discontent that helped sink john boehner isn't easing," now coming after john mcconnell and calling for his resignation. how concrete a step will you take in that regard to avert further consternation and frustration with the base? >> there's no sentiment here amongst the overwhelming majority of my republican colleagues in the senate to replace mitch mcconnell. we appreciate his leadership and there's no chance of that happening. so i think that we have to have outreach. i have talked to a number of my
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colleagues in the house. admittedly many of them share my view, rather than the view of wanting to shut down the government. but it suicidal to continue this kind of division, particularly disparagement of people's motivations and character. i have real enemies in the united states senate on the other side, but we get along. and we fight fiercely. my favorite guy to fight with was one ted kennedy. i enjoyed fighting with him more than any other senator and yet we were pals. so the point is let's get back to a civilized discourse, let's sit down and work some of these things out. will we be able to? i don't know. but if we continue on this path, it going to damage us in the eyes of the american people and inhibit us to some degree from
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electing a republican president. >> we have a new nbc news/wall street journal poll today, which would be more comfortable with of the top four nominees for president of the united states? >> i'm still sticking with my friend lindsay graham. i'm sticking with lindsay all the way. that's my guy. look, i remember in 2007, i was dead, remember that? come on, lindsay, let go. >> all right, waving the lindsay flag. you're a good friend. >> thank you.
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>> undersecretary of state rick stengel joins us next. >> last night the moon went through the earth's shadow when the earth was at its closest orbit and it gives that rusty hugh color. almost looks like what you think mars would look like. so amazing images around the world. unfortunately the eastern half of the country had lot of cloud. many areas of the west had a beautiful show. let's talk about the weather for this monday. as we go throughout this week, we're going to finally get some areas that desperately need rain a lot of rain. i'm not talking unfortunately about the west, you may have to wait until el nino this winter.
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trying to show that he wants to have some visible respect for obama but at the meantime, he's trying to undermine obama's position. i find unbelievable that putin could say that what is -- we shall -- what we're doing with the rebels is illegal and to some extent he makes things up. >> that was former secretary of state madeleine albright. let's bring in richard stengel. also joining the table, we have pulitzer prize winner and nbc contributor jonathan capehart.
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>> i think, catty, in the first place we're seeing an unprecedented level of complexity in the international sphere. one of the thing that the president and secretary of state want to do is figure out how can we come together to some some of these problems. president putin is laying in another level of complexity. if you look at syria, on the one hand is he dousing the flame by actually fighting extremists? he's also fueling the flame by supporting assad, who is a magnate for violent and extremism for isil in that neighborhood. she makes the point that the president will make to putin, yes, if can you be effective in the middle east, that's fine but it doesn't exclude what you're doing in ukraine. >> if you were to stop the barrel bombings and create buffer zones, there's potential
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of conflict with russian presidents in syria. it -- >> at the very least you've already seen military-to-military contacts, we do want to deconflict that and prevent that from happening. >> as this incredibly complex tap indust tapestry continues in the middle east, what is the saudis impression of the u.s. strength in the region given what's going on? >> first of all, we have many, many more allies in the region than russia has. russia has one ally, assad, who the president would like to see out of power. i think our collection of allies in the middle east, most of whom
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are in the coalition against isis, they respect the power and are fighting to make it better. they're fighting against isis, too. they see that as an existential threat to the region. the king of jordan said the other day this is our problem. >> just the other day we learned about iraq joining forces with iran and russia to fight isis. isn't that a problem for the united states? >> the way my president looks at this and the way my boss, the secretary of state, looks at that time is diplomacy is often the answer. we need to talk about those difficult things. so that arrangement the iraqis have made with the russians and syrians, we need to look at that. is it possible it might be instructive, give actionable intelligence to all of us?
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that's one of the thing we'll be talking about over the next few days. >> one of the issues we have is, one, we've only been able to train moderate number of forces against isis. and i'm not expecting you to make policy right here -- >> thank you. >> unless are you. how concerned are you about those report and the fact that we've only trained four to five fighters? >> the train and quip plan and training program is just not where we wanted it to be. we'd like to make it better, figure out where we went wrong and make it more robust and create more fighters against the assad regime. we're looking at that. there are excellent people doing that. senator murphy, that's a fair point to make but i think we are moving ahead, trying to figure out the best way to do that.
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at the same time, the president hopes this anti-isil cde and summit, which really started a year ago and there's been tremendous progress. if you look at it over the span of the year where isil was threatening baghdad, lost most of the and i think we need to measure that and then go further. >> in is a failure of american policy, isn't it? you could have intervened at various stages in the last four years, we haven't protected the syrian populations and potential fighters from assad as baseball bombs and they're saying why should we go ant fight isis for you if you won't protect us from barrel bombs? >> the president has always been very cautious about this, that's
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the city. alexander, if you look at the numbers of what's been happening in san francisco, we've all seen the incredible tech boom. what's happening to people who live there that have lower incomes that just can't afford $3,000 a month? >> generations of people who live in the city are being pushed out and we have a real problem that the cities are becoming gated communities where only the wealthy can live. it's a challenge for regulators to make rules to help. in san francisco we don't have affordable housing. san francisco is a microcosm of what's happening in the city. it's very vogue to be anti-politician, anti-regulation, anti-law but we need rules so that we can all
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right. my question back is how does a normal citizen work with poll signatureses -- politicians and keep their economy? >> all of the new world order is being determined right now. everything's going on the ballot in san francisco. this is the first thing in san francisco where they're really texting. some people can't afford to stay in the city unless they're renting a room. >> sounds bilike bernie sanders territory. >> you need people to be able to stay in the city. if they couldn't afford to stay in the city, it only max matters worse. if there's no affordable housing and you take it all off the
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future. one of those i'm most excited about is goal eight. i think entrepreneurs are super heros and they're going to help us create 90% of jobs and bring all of the disruptive technologies to solve all the goals. we're really excited about giving entrepreneurs the access to capitals and networks that they need to succeed. >> within the umbrella you call sustainable development, how much is available to places that need development the most. >> i think whether you're sitting in nigeria or silicon valley, they're relevant to everybody. so access to capital, it's very different. i might need a $50 loan for my cart to give food to my children but here in silicon valley, i'm
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an entrepreneur and only getting 3% of the capital i need. it means different things to different people but it all quite different. >> we had the millennium goals. the world didn't meet that to do list. what makes you more confident that the world meets this goal? >> if we don't have goals, how do we know if we meet those? and. we did make progress but now we've got to push forward and push forward today on solving all these. but everyone can. everyone can save a life, everyone can start a business. these goals are for all of us, not just world leaders. >> elizabeth needs to get together with mika, i think, and together they can do this. up next, a scary moment at a carly fiorina event that she
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♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪ my oh my what a wonderful day ♪ >> i used to sing that on my way to work in the morning. it's become clear to me that this prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable harm to the institution. now, as you've often heard me say, this isn't about me.
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it's about the people, it's about the institution. just yesterday we witnessed the awesome sight of pope francis addressing the greatest legislative body in the world and i hope that we will all heed his call to live by the golden rule. but last night i started thinking about this and this morning i woke up and i said my prayers, as i always do, and i decided, you know, today's the day i'm going to do this, as simple as that. >> reporter: i'm curious, did you reach this decision last night, did the grace of pope francis led you to this decision. >> no, no. yesterday was a great day, it really was. was i emotional yesterday? yes, i was. ily really emotional in a moment that really no one saw. as the pope and i were getting ready toks it the building, we
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found ourselves alone and the pope grabbed my left arm and said some very kind word to me about my commit mement to kids education and the pope puts his arm around me and kind of pull moose to him and says, "please pray for me." well, who am i to pray for the pope, but i did. >> reporter: if it wasn't the pope, then what was it? >> listen, it was never about the vote, all right. there was never any doubt about whether i could survive a vote, though i don't want my members to have to go through this and i certainly don't want the institution to go through this. so especially when i knew i was thinking about walking out the door anyway. so it's the right time to do it and, frankly, i am entirely comfortab comfortable doing it. >> i'm sorry, but you got to love john boehner.
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that was part of his press conference where he announced he'd be giving up his role as house speaker. the pope comes along and says you got to do your job and john boehner goes, i can't do that. >> you got to love a man that can cry. he talked about a dirty barn. i'm curious to see what does that mean? debt ceiling, take that off the table? >> let's go to scary moment on the campaign trail. part of the stage collapsed around carly fiorina while she was speaking at an event at texas yesterday. the presidential candidate was mid sentence when this happened.
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one of those things you can't plan for. she was addressing women business owners in san antonio when the curtain gave way. can you see several women rushing to shield the presidential candidate as she warned others to be careful. no one was hurt and she even cracked a joke when someone yelled out "trump." >> okay, trump, hillary, it could have been lots of people. >> she then took questions for another half an hour. i'm not sure if that's one of the things i learned today that fiorina can tell a joke at trump's expense. >> what did you learn today? >> you're absolutely right about john boehner. it's an attractive thing to watch a guy deal with his emotions in public and not be ashamed to do it. and secretary of state john
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kerry is going to be with us tomorrow. >> that's great. >> jonathan? >> i learned the one endearing thing about john boehner is his ability to just cry, emotions right there on his sleeve, that scene of him behind the pope, his face contorting, trying not to, it was beautiful. >> sam? >> i learned that jonathan p papelbon may not have it up here, he might be a touch crazy. >> the "rundown" begins right now. good morning, i'm jose diaz-balart. all eyes are on the u.n. president obama is set to address the gathered world leaders in about an hour. later today he holds his first formal meeting in two years with russian president vladimir putin. putin will also be speaking to
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the u.n. today along with several world leaders in what promises to be a dramatic and intriguing day. i'm joined by chris jensen. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> what do we expect the headlines to be today? >> first of all, i see chuck todd there, come on down, my friend. >> is he mic'd and ready to go? come on in. >> this is something we haven't seen in arguably a decade. first the gathering the leaders. it been called like this big geo political show and that's also why it's been criticized as a show but this time there are seary seario searious -- serious issues on board here. last year the president talked about ebola and the iranian nuclear agreement.

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